This Sunday

Gary speed legend simples but in my opinion I don't think we should have a minutes silence like people have already said on here can't remember having a silence for bobby Robson etc. There are more deserving people of a minutes silence in my eyes there are soldiers coming back in a box on a regular basis but no one gives them a thought!!!! Just my opinion some might agree some not.

gazfox9 wrote:

I'd have to say, I'd find it rather uncomfortable giving a minutes applause to a man who 'decided' to leave a wife and two children fatherless.
He obviously had issues, of which none of us know of, but at the moment I'm at a loss to think of what his children must be going through at this time.
It certainly seems I'm in the minority on this, but its just the way I feel.

I feel I have some kind of knowledge is this area, but wont profess to being any kind of an expert and don’t usual like to comment on such a subject, I’m not overly sensitive about it, but I feel too many people cast aspirations which is far too easy to do looking form the outside in, but from experience, I wouldn’t say anybody decides to leave any family behind. They chose to escape demons they have going on.

Some people suggest it’s a cowards way out to end your own life, and I can see the argument for that, but people who have never been at that point can’t comment. Imagine how desperate you must be to be able to pull that chair away, or throw yourself of a building.

Im sure his family will always have question as to why he did what he did, I think they will always want to know, in the end they will find their own ways of dealing with it. But for now, I’m sure its just as important to them that they remember their husband / dad / brother for the man he was, and everything he achieved.

Absolutely spot on Calamity, couldn't agree more - far too easy for people to pass comment on something they know little about or have no experience of. People judge others in the blink of an eye in our very much, narrow minded society.
Yourself and Spartamoshdock seem to have spoken the few bits of sense on this very sensitive topic.

Linkin Ji Sung Park wrote:

Absolutely spot on Calamity, couldn't agree more - far too easy for people to pass comment on something they know little about or have no experience of. People judge others in the blink of an eye in our very much, narrow minded society.
Yourself and Spartamoshdock seem to have spoken the few bits of sense on this very sensitive topic.

I think a lot of people have made very valid comments, and although they may not have told people they have intimate knowledge/experience they actually do....

And i think there have been some very well put forward comments and sense by all 'sides'....

You have your opinions (which I don't happen to agree with) and I have mine, this forum is all about them - simple as that really.

greeeedy wrote:

one of my best mates whom i grew up with took his own life. he was on drugs and couldnt find a way or even the will to get help coming off them. he left a father and disabled brother behind whom both doted on him.
it was a sad day to say the least but if there is one question i could ask him it would simply be WHY?
at the time i went over this time and time again in my head and no matter which way i looked at it i could never come to the point where i understood why he had done it even tho i knew the reasons behind it if that makes sense. i will never get why ANYONE would take their own life but thats just me

i take your point greeedy and i would say that the very reason you do think WHY is what most of us would think. but this is also the same reason why these people do such tragic things. if you are of relatively sound mind, you or any of us will NEVER be able to comprehend why on earth anyone could do something like this because the people that do it are just not the same as other people

Widds wrote:

Polska legend II wrote:

to be fair warnock has never been the brain of britain, has he?

i think people who have criticised him 'leaving his wife and kids behind' miss the point. depression is a mental illness therefore the sufferer is not in the correct frame of mind therefore they are clearly not thinking properly about the causes of their actions because their mind will not function correctly

Fair enough, and if it is depression, then you have to have more compassion, but as we dont know why he committed suicide, i think you have to hold fire on any silences...there is a rumour going around that a newspaper was about to run a report about his private life, wont go into it in more depth, but if the rumour is correct, then its not depression.....

i also heard that

Hellboy wrote:

The good old trustworthy newspapers hey, you might as well throw his remains to a pack of wolves when they've finished with them, they are the reason a lot of innocent folk have committed suicide in this country, one example Ann Diamond allegedly got accused of murder when her baby died of cot death, people always have difference of opinions, thats what seperates us from animals, i'm sure it wasn't taken lightly, i'm sure it won't help his wife and kids whatever the reason is, especially just before crimbo.

remember the millennium bug? the daily mail was in its element. each week leading up to the big event there would be dozens of scare stories. cash machines spewing out money. tills going haywire. aeroplanes falling out of the sky. nuclear weapons going off. and why? because a computer could not count to 2000!

biggest load of tripe I ever read, and the 'IT compliant' consultants made millions out of it.

never again did I believe anything I ever read in a paper

wheel1 wrote:

Gary speed legend simples but in my opinion I don't think we should have a minutes silence like people have already said on here can't remember having a silence for bobby Robson etc. There are more deserving people of a minutes silence in my eyes there are soldiers coming back in a box on a regular basis but no one gives them a thought!!!! Just my opinion some might agree some not.

i don't think its correct that no one gives the dead soldiers a second thought, on the contrary I think right now they are the most respected people in this country, as is the job they do

CalamityScouse wrote:

gazfox9 wrote:

I'd have to say, I'd find it rather uncomfortable giving a minutes applause to a man who 'decided' to leave a wife and two children fatherless.
He obviously had issues, of which none of us know of, but at the moment I'm at a loss to think of what his children must be going through at this time.
It certainly seems I'm in the minority on this, but its just the way I feel.

I feel I have some kind of knowledge is this area, but wont profess to being any kind of an expert and don’t usual like to comment on such a subject, I’m not overly sensitive about it, but I feel too many people cast aspirations which is far too easy to do looking form the outside in, but from experience, I wouldn’t say anybody decides to leave any family behind. They chose to escape demons they have going on.

Some people suggest it’s a cowards way out to end your own life, and I can see the argument for that, but people who have never been at that point can’t comment. Imagine how desperate you must be to be able to pull that chair away, or throw yourself of a building.

Im sure his family will always have question as to why he did what he did, I think they will always want to know, in the end they will find their own ways of dealing with it. But for now, I’m sure its just as important to them that they remember their husband / dad / brother for the man he was, and everything he achieved.

good point, very good indeed. some people are so troubled by their demons that ending it is their only way of being at peace with themselves and the world

Linkin Ji Sung Park wrote:

You have your opinions (which I don't happen to agree with) and I have mine, this forum is all about them - simple as that really.

Agree with the above....just wanted to put my opinion that it wasn't only one side of the discussion which spoke 'sense'.

But as you say bud, all about opinions, personally, i respect all the opinions that have been put forward on this topic, because so far, everyone has justified their opinon and/or made their arguement in a mature way.....much like Stroller said - there is a first for everything!

i think it's a strong topic thats why

Widds wrote:

Linkin Ji Sung Park wrote:

You have your opinions (which I don't happen to agree with) and I have mine, this forum is all about them - simple as that really.

Agree with the above....just wanted to put my opinion that it wasn't only one side of the discussion which spoke 'sense'.

But as you say bud, all about opinions, personally, i respect all the opinions that have been put forward on this topic, because so far, everyone has justified their opinon and/or made their arguement in a mature way.....much like Stroller said - there is a first for everything!

My issue is how much of a regular occurrance it could become and therefore with each passing silence the impact/meaning begins to be lost.

The minutes silence on Remembrance Sunday is a powerful thing as it is a distinguishable occurance from any other Sunday morning kickabout and IMO should remain a unique annual mark of respect.

Agree with you boys there.

One thing i would be surprised about is if it is actually depression, because (and this is from seeing it with someone close to me) true depression (the kind that makes getting out of bed seem the hardest thing, tears your life apart and everything is a burden and where you genuinely cant see light at the end of the tunnel) is almost impossible to hide from someone you live with....

Which leads to the question, why did he commit suicide, and until thats known, i think its shaky ground to have a silence...

Hellboy wrote:

We seem to be looking to find reasons for and against, however, we do all share the common love of football, and maybe as a fellow footballer, whats the harm in doing a minutes silence?

Very much agree with the above. A footballer has died, who during his career/life has given an inordinate amount to the game we all love and are so passionate about. Surely this is reason enough to pay our respects to him and his family. I think it should but don't know whether it will, transcend all the way down to our level of the game.
The fact that all the games that have already had the opportunity to have a minutes silence/applause have done so, says an awful lot in my opinion. In time, am sure that much more detail will come out and people with discuss it in much more depth. A minutes silence shortly after a death shows compassion and respect for, as i said before, someone who has given everything to football. A minutes silence months down the line after lies, rumours and enquiries won't mean much, if anything at all.

very true. tributes like a minutes silence are also becoming very common now, barely a month goes by without seeing one organised and I think it is a fitting way to pay respect and does not diminish from things like rememberance sunday

i'll be asking Mr Walker if we can have a minutes silence

Out of interest, which teams observed a minutes silence? Be interested to know. No team at Uplands had one

Not us

We just had to do the champions league style shaking of hands

ironically after all that, I was too preoccupied by removing - at the referee's request - yet another 'dog mess' that once again wasn't there when I put the nets up - just seconds before kick off. whilst my council tax is spent on street lighting and the likes, the council sure don't spend it on good old fashioned park wardens any more. disgusting!

would love to if it wasn't a minute before kick off!

sure it wasnt a player who dunnit? I know what you polaks are like!!!

that's only after the alcohol! although 6 of us went to Villa Park on Saturday night and 3 never made it through the turnstiles (they were ejected for various reasons!)

Haha spot on....

It was great watching you picking it up with your tissue. .. Luxuries of brighton avenue aye

tissue and a surgical vinyl glove! that's 3 home games already we shall be writing in and asking for a discount...

Even though our referee didnt turn up in sunny old Burton on The Wolds, we still did a minutes applause in respect of Gary Speed, doesnt hurt to show a little respect....

Who reffed it?

One of their lads did it, the ref who didnt turn up apparently was at the hospital with family health problem

apparently story is going to break that speed was having extra maritals with a bloke....that's from someone in the welsh fa. Still sad he felt that was his only option if true, but I think that if it is true, my opinion is that leaving your wife and kids behind because u had an affair is very different to having severe depression....just an opinion

Widds wrote:

apparently story is going to break that speed was having extra maritals with a bloke....that's from someone in the welsh fa. Still sad he felt that was his only option if true, but I think that if it is true, my opinion is that leaving your wife and kids behind because u had an affair is very different to having severe depression....just an opinion

there were rumours in the net when he was at bolton of him being a fudge packer but nobody believed it then... All of a sudden he pops his cloggs and its because he was shagging gareth thomas?