kajima?

fair enough

good point potts

harrow hotshot wrote:

good point potts

I have no problem with the game being replayed and reluctantly a fine but, to have 2 points deducted for an admin error is in my opinion too much, I would like to know the feelings from other teams as the rules as they are simply state that whether you are known to be cheating or not carries the same penalty.

To be honest, as I see it, it is easier to play ringers and get away with it and, the referees decision apparently is final, this is a different ongoing matter (I will say that Gordon has helped out on the Ref occasion and fully appreciated)

How about a meeting with committee and Secs/Managers to discuss the above

Kajima

As per the topic and sorry to stray from it, quality set of lads and hard team to play against

Polska legend II wrote:

1. never take a players word for it that he is clear of debt and not suspended. Always check for yourself!

2. good point in the earlier post about not being able to sign players on on the day, but saying that, as the opposition countersigns these anyway, then surely that procedure can still remain?

But what do you do if a player claims he's not signed or banned and is brought to you on a sunday morning, how on earth can you check until a couple of weeks later when a form lands on your doorstep informing you that he's a wanted Crim, shocking system in my opinion

This thread should be updated and moved to the year 2011, most will understand

NiffyA wrote:

Yeah i agree that in a perfect world or at a professional club you would expect this, but when you have usually 1 guy who is responsible for arranging everything - including pitches, kits, nets, balls, ref, opposition team, fines, subs, etc etc - along with juggling a job to pay the bills it's hard to expect anyone person to keep track of everything - i think expectations need to fall in line with the standard we are playing at.

If only one person is doing all these jobs then perhaps someone else from the team needs to get a finger out and help,there are several Secretarys from each division who never fall FOUL of the system and never have the problems that Harrow etc have,all clubs have the same rules,i personaly think it's the application of these rules that makes the Alliance League what it is

littlebigman wrote:

NiffyA wrote:

Yeah i agree that in a perfect world or at a professional club you would expect this, but when you have usually 1 guy who is responsible for arranging everything - including pitches, kits, nets, balls, ref, opposition team, fines, subs, etc etc - along with juggling a job to pay the bills it's hard to expect anyone person to keep track of everything - i think expectations need to fall in line with the standard we are playing at.

If only one person is doing all these jobs then perhaps someone else from the team needs to get a finger out and help,there are several Secretarys from each division who never fall FOUL of the system and never have the problems that Harrow etc have,all clubs have the same rules,i personaly think it's the application of these rules that makes the Alliance League what it is

Had all the forms come to me (sec) it wouldn't have happened

Harrow_Veteran wrote:

Polska legend II wrote:

1. never take a players word for it that he is clear of debt and not suspended. Always check for yourself!

2. good point in the earlier post about not being able to sign players on on the day, but saying that, as the opposition countersigns these anyway, then surely that procedure can still remain?

But what do you do if a player claims he's not signed or banned and is brought to you on a sunday morning, how on earth can you check until a couple of weeks later when a form lands on your doorstep informing you that he's a wanted Crim, shocking system in my opinion

simple. don't play a player until you know for sure he isn't banned. like i say, i never take the word of a player because ive seen too many clubs get in trouble for it. if we also know someone may be coming along on a sunday for the first time, we try and check the suspension lists over the weekend just to make sure.

Polska legend II wrote:

Harrow_Veteran wrote:

Polska legend II wrote:

1. never take a players word for it that he is clear of debt and not suspended. Always check for yourself!

2. good point in the earlier post about not being able to sign players on on the day, but saying that, as the opposition countersigns these anyway, then surely that procedure can still remain?

But what do you do if a player claims he's not signed or banned and is brought to you on a sunday morning, how on earth can you check until a couple of weeks later when a form lands on your doorstep informing you that he's a wanted Crim, shocking system in my opinion

simple. don't play a player until you know for sure he isn't banned. like i say, i never take the word of a player because ive seen too many clubs get in trouble for it. if we also know someone may be coming along on a sunday for the first time, we try and check the suspension lists over the weekend just to make sure.

This brings me back to the intial argument, there should be different scales of punishment, I would say 3, Club punishments for admin errors (such as our case) whereby a financial penalty is issued and the replay of a game (as this doesn't have a major effect on the players), Team punishments (using ringers), replay, fine and points deductions as the team are all aware and should expect to pay the consequences, individual player punishments for knowingly playing under assumed name or lying about not being banned or signed for other team.

You mention checking suspension lists although last year after a player of ours got banned, it was a good few weeks after his ban started before details were made public.

I think you are being punished for being honest, a warning would of been more than enough. He is your player, played for you last season and it was an honest mistake. Think the league should re think there punishment on this one...just my opinion though....

Harrow_Veteran wrote:

Polska legend II wrote:

Harrow_Veteran wrote:

Polska legend II wrote:

1. never take a players word for it that he is clear of debt and not suspended. Always check for yourself!

2. good point in the earlier post about not being able to sign players on on the day, but saying that, as the opposition countersigns these anyway, then surely that procedure can still remain?

But what do you do if a player claims he's not signed or banned and is brought to you on a sunday morning, how on earth can you check until a couple of weeks later when a form lands on your doorstep informing you that he's a wanted Crim, shocking system in my opinion

simple. don't play a player until you know for sure he isn't banned. like i say, i never take the word of a player because ive seen too many clubs get in trouble for it. if we also know someone may be coming along on a sunday for the first time, we try and check the suspension lists over the weekend just to make sure.

This brings me back to the intial argument, there should be different scales of punishment, I would say 3, Club punishments for admin errors (such as our case) whereby a financial penalty is issued and the replay of a game (as this doesn't have a major effect on the players), Team punishments (using ringers), replay, fine and points deductions as the team are all aware and should expect to pay the consequences, individual player punishments for knowingly playing under assumed name or lying about not being banned or signed for other team.

You mention checking suspension lists although last year after a player of ours got banned, it was a good few weeks after his ban started before details were made public.

that is quite unusual - county fa update their lists most weeks

well said Rwhite08

The problem with bending the rules is that if you make it public then it sets a precident for others to talk their way out of fines. It wouldn't surprise me if the league did take a common sense approach in some circumstances but do not make it public knowledge.

We played a team who fielded a few ringers a while back. Those ringers actually played for said team in the previous 3 or 4 seasons, so the "he played for us last year" argument would not get you anywhere.

Sparta3 wrote:

The problem with bending the rules is that if you make it public then it sets a precident for others to talk their way out of fines. It wouldn't surprise me if the league did take a common sense approach in some circumstances but do not make it public knowledge.

We played a team who fielded a few ringers a while back. Those ringers actually played for said team in the previous 3 or 4 seasons, so the "he played for us last year" argument would not get you anywhere.

Not saying bend the rules just update them

any idea when the replay is harrow vet???

KAJI-MACHINE wrote:

any idea when the replay is harrow vet???

Not a clue mate, will be slotted in when poss I suppose

wat does kajima stand for?:/

Hairy Hebrew! wrote:

wat does kajima stand for?:/

They are the company who own our pitch, they give us it at a very reduced rate for being called Kajima.

As I said before I agree with Polska don't play a player unless the checks are done

FA website is updated every Friday

Most teams have some one with an iPhone/smart phone that let's you check the website on a Sunday AM if needed or as said above check the players name (even if tube never meet him) before a Sunday AM

In terms of a meeting to discuss the rules this has already happened it's the AGM, this particular rule was discussed, amended (points deduction reduced from 3 to 2) and AGREED by al secs. From memory no objections not even from Harrow(!)

As ive said before I have sympathy but rules are rules and this is what sets the alliance league apart from other leagues. If you want to play banned players and get away with it go and play in the LSL

KajimaFC wrote:

Hairy Hebrew! wrote:

wat does kajima stand for?:/

They are the company who own our pitch, they give us it at a very reduced rate for being called Kajima.

oooo do they wanna reserve side??? not a fan of our astronomical pitch fees!

Huncote sec, there are plenty of teams playing banned/illegible players every week and getting away with it in the alliance. To think otherwise is just naive.

Potts wrote:

Huncote sec, there are plenty of teams playing banned/illegible players every week and getting away with it in the alliance. To think otherwise is just naive.

spot on potts!

and we are awesome!!! st marks who??? dno who they are???

Not naive Potts.....just think that as harsh as it is the rules are there and need to not be bent for anyone

Most instances (if not all in my experience) can be explained by human error, poor admin or a lack of communication within a club

The problem with relaxing either the rules or the checks is that you open up the door for abuse

This is what sets the alliance apart, yes team play unregistered players every week but this league prides its self on doing things the right way and if you are one of the 80 or so teams that manages this each season you will have no points deducted

If you fall foul of the system you lose money and points, harsh maybe but we all know where we stand and we got it wrong once, but wont get it wrong a second time and I think there are a few clubs who would say the same

KAJI-MACHINE wrote:

and we are awesome!!! st marks who??? dno w



ho they are???

don't big it up too much look what happened to st marks!

KAJI-MACHINE wrote:

and we are awesome!!! st marks who??? dno who they are???

You wern't awesome yesterday i would say average div 5 side from what i saw yesterday.
You like to ooof it to the two quick lads upfront and thats it.

still, can't knock their unbeaten start so far.

dave ash wrote:

KAJI-MACHINE wrote:

and we are awesome!!! st marks who??? dno who they are???

You wern't awesome yesterday i would say average div 5 side from what i saw yesterday.
You like to ooof it to the two quick lads upfront and thats it.

Lol it was the worst we have ever played we were awful amount of one on ones we missed :s and our centre mid was non existant which was strange.

Polska legend II wrote:

still, can't knock their unbeaten start so far.

Yes mate your right there i am sure theres a lot of teams who would like to play bad and still win.

Gotta say i think Niffy played well the second half which would of not maade it so easy for you and we were unlucky to conseed so near the end.

Have to mention the kids size goals we were playing in, i think i was as tall as the goals. Surely they have to be a set minimum height to play in ??????

should be 8 feet high from memory

wins a win!

and a loss is a loss dont let the gate hit u wen u shut it

i think thats a lesson learned
dont slag other Teams wen they lose
cos wats goes around COMES AROUND

If opposition teams could keep bigging themselves up just before they play us then that would be just great !!!

who's next for the kiss of death?

Sorry... My message is sandwiched in the middle of the original post... Bloody ipad! Nearly as stupid as my 16 yo keeper