kajima?

who r they?????????????? never heard of them

New team

2nd In the league and unbeaten seeing as Harrow loss has to be replayed due to them fielding an illegible player.

Mostly young lads, first season in adult football, good set up supported by one of the league best referees (in my opinion )

......unless my sources are wrong

KajimaFC wrote:

2nd In the league and unbeaten seeing as Harrow loss has to be replayed due to them fielding an illegible player.

you might be second in the league but i beleive st marks are top aint they mate

kajima are a good set of lads and a very gud team and will only get better they will be up their cum end of the season,shame we got to replay them,we played a player whos played for us the last season and abit but his form for some reason got lost so wasnt signed on

harrow hotshot wrote:

kajima are a good set of lads and a very gud team and will only get better they will be up their cum end of the season,shame we got to replay them,we played a player whos played for us the last season and abit but his form for some reason got lost so wasnt signed on

yeah but at least it was a genuine mistake unlike some other teams who have played people under false names heh the goalie

thats whats annoyes me,we thought he was signed on so played him,why would we play him if we knew he wasnt??people in charge of the league have too much power and abuse it

harrow hotshot wrote:

thats whats annoyes me,we thought he was signed on so played him,why would we play him if we knew he wasnt??people in charge of the league have too much power and abuse it

just have to win the replay mate and see justice done!

the goalie wrote:

KajimaFC wrote:

2nd In the league and unbeaten seeing as Harrow loss has to be replayed due to them fielding an illegible player.

you might be second in the league but i beleive st marks are top aint they mate

well Kajima have a game in hand. but Harrow are a good side so im not counting my chickens we lsot against them once going to try and not lose against them again.

cheers to the Huncote Secretary for the comment, wish St. Marks well. They are proving it in the mans game
good luck to them and we look forward to the game

harrow hotshot wrote:

thats whats annoyes me,we thought he was signed on so played him,why would we play him if we knew he wasnt??people in charge of the league have too much power and abuse it

bit harsh! the rules are the same for everyone so surely its the clubs that abuse the rules??

Polska legend II wrote:

harrow hotshot wrote:

thats whats annoyes me,we thought he was signed on so played him,why would we play him if we knew he wasnt??people in charge of the league have too much power and abuse it

bit harsh! the rules are the same for everyone so surely its the clubs that abuse the rules??

I think a rule change is in order to be fair, surely there is a major difference between playing a known banned player (Ringer) in order to benefit the team and that of a player that has signed for said team on 2 previous seasons and therefore classed as an admin error.

We are basically being accused of cheating although if that were the case then I would have used a different name on the teamsheet.

Not my problem soon

This is a bit strange if it's obvious the lad has played for you for a couple of years and have to agree that if it seems to be an admin error rather than a genuine attempt to cheat then the league should treat this differently.

We play Kajima now on Sunday in a re-arranged fixture due to the Leicester Marathon - looking forward to seeing how the lads get on, although I'm not there personally.

don't think many breaches of rules are a genuine attempt at 'cheating', more the fact that they are errors. but shouldn't a club check they have had a player registration form back before they play him?

Yeah i agree that in a perfect world or at a professional club you would expect this, but when you have usually 1 guy who is responsible for arranging everything - including pitches, kits, nets, balls, ref, opposition team, fines, subs, etc etc - along with juggling a job to pay the bills it's hard to expect anyone person to keep track of everything - i think expectations need to fall in line with the standard we are playing at.

Polska legend II wrote:

don't think many breaches of rules are a genuine attempt at 'cheating', more the fact that they are errors. but shouldn't a club check they have had a player registration form back before they play him?

It helps though if all forms were posted back to the sec (me) and not half to sec, half to manager ?, then the fact our paths didn't cross due to holidays, it was only when I received them I noticed and rang Morley and he confirmed 9 days after.

take the points on board, all I'm saying is that the league don't deliberately set out to trip clubs up

Harrow_Veteran wrote:

Polska legend II wrote:

don't think many breaches of rules are a genuine attempt at 'cheating', more the fact that they are errors. but shouldn't a club check they have had a player registration form back before they play him?

It helps though if all forms were posted back to the sec (me) and not half to sec, half to manager ?, then the fact our paths didn't cross due to holidays, it was only when I received them I noticed and rang Morley and he confirmed 9 days after.

the playing of unregisterd players has always happened and will continue to
it can range from getting a couple of mates to turn out(sometimes they carn't even play football) to get a fixture played to avoid fines,to the playing of 'ringers' to gain an advantage in a game,or just genuine mistakes .unfortunateley mistakes are nearly always spotted but ringers very rarely found out . I know of two instances one this season and one last where ringers have scored under false names while already signed for alliance sides both were different teams and i know the players in question
but in saying that playing ringers often fails it can p**s off the rest of the team and the ringer often doesn't try as hard as he would for his own team
so where it is quite obvious a club has made a genuine mistake perhaps the league could be a bit more lenient and try to crack down on the ringers

right i am off my soapbox now

but surely any club can point to an 'administrative error' even if they have played a ringer? that's why the rule is clear and shouldn't be interpreted in other ways. (Not for one minute saying Harrow did this)

Polska legend II wrote:

but surely any club can point to an 'administrative error' even if they have played a ringer? that's why the rule is clear and shouldn't be interpreted in other ways. (Not for one minute saying Harrow did this)

yeah take your point it would be very difficult thats why i'm saying it will always happen its just its my pet hate about local football and i wish 'there was a system that could control it better

Player ID cards have now been launched according to the County FA webiste yesterday. Could well be the answer?

Polska legend II wrote:

Player ID cards have now been launched according to the County FA webiste yesterday. Could well be the answer?

now thats the one!
id cards were used in youth football a few years back but the photos were not redone every season
and kids can change so quickly it went a bit t**s up
but could deffo work in adult football

Polska legend II wrote:

but surely any club can point to an 'administrative error' even if they have played a ringer? that's why the rule is clear and shouldn't be interpreted in other ways. (Not for one minute saying Harrow did this)

I'm saying that admin errors (like ours) should be treated as such, yes the game should be replayed and club fined but the points deductions affect the team who are not responsible. On the other hand, the team would know if a ringer is playing and should therefore expect and accept points deduction

THE WATCHER wrote:

Polska legend II wrote:

Player ID cards have now been launched according to the County FA webiste yesterday. Could well be the answer?

now thats the one!
id cards were used in youth football a few years back but the photos were not redone every season
and kids can change so quickly it went a bit t**s up
but could deffo work in adult football

Here's a scenario: the club have their registrations of players signed off by the league (let's say, by returning a laminated ID card signed & stamped by the league). The club sec or manager gets sent all the official cards back in a book (couldn't give them to players as they would lose them or forget to bring them). Random checks made at any game where a club has to produce their book?

Polska legend II wrote:

THE WATCHER wrote:

Polska legend II wrote:

Player ID cards have now been launched according to the County FA webiste yesterday. Could well be the answer?

now thats the one!
id cards were used in youth football a few years back but the photos were not redone every season
and kids can change so quickly it went a bit t**s up
but could deffo work in adult football

Here's a scenario: the club have their registrations of players signed off by the league (let's say, by returning a laminated ID card signed & stamped by the league). The club sec or manager gets sent all the official cards back in a book (couldn't give them to players as they would lose them or forget to bring them). Random checks made at any game where a club has to produce their book?

or the manager of one team can ask to see the ids before the game if he supspects anything
and the league should impose a hefty fine on clubs caught and then it might be stamped out

So Mr polska legend as a ref yourself would you be man enough to admit when you had made a mistake??

absolutely and I regularly do (both make them and admit them!)

Glad to hear, Shame not all of them do, They should take a leaf out of your book then

Polska legend II wrote:

Here's a scenario: the club have their registrations of players signed off by the league (let's say, by returning a laminated ID card signed & stamped by the league). The club sec or manager gets sent all the official cards back in a book (couldn't give them to players as they would lose them or forget to bring them). Random checks made at any game where a club has to produce their book?

What about signing players on the day of the game? How long would it take for a card to come through for a new signing? Tough one.

I think you should update the team photos more regularly, because some of these photos are so old, a lot of the players have move to other teams, in some cases 2 or 3 moves have occured and they are still on the team photo that they very first had took, surely in this day and age it wouldnt take more than a few minutes to put new photos on, if they're not a true representation of the team, then why bother having them on at all?

All photos submitted by clubs will be posted on the site.

Otherwise the league relies on a certain person taking 3 or 4 each week whilever he is available.

Sparta3 wrote:

Polska legend II wrote:

Here's a scenario: the club have their registrations of players signed off by the league (let's say, by returning a laminated ID card signed & stamped by the league). The club sec or manager gets sent all the official cards back in a book (couldn't give them to players as they would lose them or forget to bring them). Random checks made at any game where a club has to produce their book?

What about signing players on the day of the game? How long would it take for a card to come through for a new signing? Tough one.

Remember the alliance league is the only place you can sign on the day of the game and this would have to stop if ID cards came in......

Harrow_Veteran wrote:

Polska legend II wrote:

harrow hotshot wrote:

thats whats annoyes me,we thought he was signed on so played him,why would we play him if we knew he wasnt??people in charge of the league have too much power and abuse it

bit harsh! the rules are the same for everyone so surely its the clubs that abuse the rules??

I think a rule change is in order to be fair, surely there is a major difference between playing a known banned player (Ringer) in order to benefit the team and that of a player that has signed for said team on 2 previous seasons and therefore classed as an admin error.

We are basically being accused of cheating although if that were the case then I would have used a different name on the teamsheet.

Not my problem soon

The problem with this, which I think Mark has already demonstrated, is no club does this knowingly and every instance has an explanation, normally this is down to human error.

We fell foul of this on the first day of the season a couple of years ago, I as the sec are responsible for signing all players and making the checks, whether the signing is made on the day of the game or before. I was sunning myself on a beach (bad timing I know, never again!!) and failed to leave the county FA banned list with my deputy, we signed on the day a new player, he played 90 mins, his name was on the team sheet, but he was suspended for a £15 fine he thought he had paid from a previous team, we lost the game and despite an appeal (or two) from myself to FA and league and even the fact I was on the committee made no difference .

The decision stood, we had lost the game anyway so no replay but started the season in effect on -3 points and a fair few quid lighter!!! A genuine admin error, but rules are rules and applied to all of us

One thing is for certain, although I have much sympathy for any team that gets tripped up doing the same, we will not get caught out again. Full checks will be done or the player don't play!!!

1. never take a players word for it that he is clear of debt and not suspended. Always check for yourself!

2. good point in the earlier post about not being able to sign players on on the day, but saying that, as the opposition countersigns these anyway, then surely that procedure can still remain?

Just think it's a shame common sense never seems to be used. A genuine mistake happened, Harrow informed the league themselves and are still docked points. Surely a replay which they should fund and the chance for kajima to reverse the result and a small fine should be enough? If a team is caught out fair enough but Harrow informed the league, not many reams would do that.

did you mean Harrow should fund the replay?

Yeah defiantly, pay for the pitch and ref and any additional admin that is incurred at the FA I know the players would have been more than happy to pay double subs for a week.