Provisional Constitution of Divisions for 2001-2012

Widds wrote:

Tommy i didn't volunteer, i was asked.

Hoskins that's great with me. Speak to Dennis or Gordon, i am more than happy with you doing it. Let me know what the result is, cheers bud.
As i say, i understand your point, two teams up one division, three up two, you guys May have got the raw deal. Still waiting to hear who we destroyed out of bakers Magna sparta who made top four i think?

does the 45mins in the first game where u destroyed us count

Paulo_MTFC wrote:

Widds wrote:

Tommy i didn't volunteer, i was asked.

Hoskins that's great with me. Speak to Dennis or Gordon, i am more than happy with you doing it. Let me know what the result is, cheers bud.
As i say, i understand your point, two teams up one division, three up two, you guys May have got the raw deal. Still waiting to hear who we destroyed out of bakers Magna sparta who made top four i think?

does the 45mins in the first game where u destroyed us count

Haha only if the second half gets mentioned where you tore us a New one lol.

Hoskins you still haven't told me which games we destroyed people! And can you tell me what we are meant to have lied about? If you are going to be press officer you need to back up statements like these with facts lol

as i have said, division 2 or 3 we really don't care! Put us in the prem if you want, its where we want to get eventually anyway!

Niffy finished above Horse and they have not been relegated either. Are you suggesting Niffy should have been relegated but not Horse?[/quote]

Surely we should both have been relegated!!!!!!!!!! A team who gained more points on the field of play have been relegated & a 1st team for the second season in a row has replaced their reserve team - would we be permitted the same privilege?

fc hoskins wrote:

Sparta3 wrote:

fc hoskins wrote:

star garter won league and cup double up 2 divs good decision
fc hoskins won fack all up 2 division no right
nri won league cup double and won league by massive 12 points up 1 divs ??? dodgy

Do you think you can win Division One?

If you didn't start in Division Three then you'd be in the Premier by now.

no we wont win div 1
we cant beat throops or sunbury FACT
and got spanked 3-0 by star garter
finished2nd
we got promated so we should go up a division !
and thurmo will win div 1

How can you moan? you will def hold your own in Division 1, fair enough u blown up late on in season, but remember you spanked Moshdok in a cup game and I believe they actually won Div 1???

saff lounge wrote:

i definitely dont see how NRI go up just 1 after destroying their league, we move up 2 divisions and took two absolute spankings in the last month of the season, won the league by 2 points and oadby could of won our division with a game to spare but blew it, i think its very dodgy

Have to agree about you going up 2 divisions, both our games were 2-1, 1 to you and 1 to us although they probably took into account the County Cup Win for you boys, saying that, the opposition in that final were poor standard (god knows how we lost in the Semi). They did say that nothing was set in Stone or in Morleys words 'Concrete' although I don't think much (if anything) changed last year.

Maybe time to beg and plead, lol.

why do people get banned for nothing from this forum, instead of removing posts from people, why dont you just explain why a team that won division 5 by 2 points, after they got spanked 6-1 and 6-2 in the last month of the season

a team wins division 4 by a big margin but goes up 1 division and a team come runners up but get moved up 2 divisions

so why dont you dennis or gordon or whoever it is, just come on here and explain why these very DODGY decisions have been made

fc hoskins wrote:

Sparta3 wrote:

fc hoskins wrote:

star garter won league and cup double up 2 divs good decision
fc hoskins won fack all up 2 division no right
nri won league cup double and won league by massive 12 points up 1 divs ??? dodgy

Do you think you can win Division One?

If you didn't start in Division Three then you'd be in the Premier by now.

no we wont win div 1
we cant beat throops or sunbury FACT
and got spanked 3-0 by star garter
finished2nd
we got promated so we should go up a division !
and thurmo will win div 1

Thurmo WMP 09 to win Div 1?, think they wanted to go into Div 2 and Webbys of Div 3 beat them last season, or do they have some more players signing?

fact reporter wrote:

why do people get banned for nothing from this forum, instead of removing posts from people, why dont you just explain why a team that won division 5 by 2 points, after they got spanked 6-1 and 6-2 in the last month of the season

a team wins division 4 by a big margin but goes up 1 division and a team come runners up but get moved up 2 divisions

so why dont you dennis or gordon or whoever it is, just come on here and explain why these very DODGY decisions have been made

to be fair tommy you boys prob shouldn't go up two, although you did say you were better than us after we played and we just got lucky with our finishing-your words.

Still waiting to hear who we destroyed in our league? Apart from desford, our record against Magna and sparta was level points minus 1 goal. What did Morley say to you last night when you brought it up at the agm? I think our teams are comparable in terms of how they won the divisions, you didn't hammer anyone did you?

Il come out on the forum and say it.. when we won div 4 this season i wanted to go to div 2.. but also reem team fc asked to go into div 2 but got put in 3, so i duno whats going on with this

you destroyed the league m8 12 pionts margain our point margain to foxes wer 7points and we jumped 2 they jumped 1 but they beat us 6-3

Perhaps the gulf in class between division 2 and 4 is a lot higher than that between divisions 4 and 6. The stokes cup examples this, NRI ran away with division 4 in the end yet could well have lost to MDH Knights who were only just runners up in division 5. I think you have to look at each case individually rather than saying, divisional champions must go up two divisions.

North Kilworth were absolutely brilliant and far too good for division 6 and rightly went up 2 divisions.

Saff Lounge can probably feel hard done by in division 3 next season, but you still fancy them to hold their own and compete.

NRI may have won division 4 and perhaps would be happy to be in division 2, but can you really see them winning against the likes of Trinderbox and Webby's? They will be more able to compete in division 3.

Hoskins situation speaks for itself, they did brilliantly last year and were rewarded with a reserve team and a double promotion. You have to fancy them to do well considering how well they did in the cup this year.

Then you only get single division promotions from division 2. Because the gulf in class is so much bigger in the top divisions than it is at the bottom.
If you look back at the Billy Walton as an example how many lower league sides beat teams of much higher divisions? A hell of a lot in the first 2 or 3 rounds.

I think the leagues done a great job and We are looking forward to the new season if it be in Division 6 or 7.

they only teams hoskins spanked was bottom half but anyway ive just have ring around make sure they players i want will sign if so might challenge the league the team we have now hasnt a chance to win div 1 if we cant win div3 and cant beat sunb or throops .

having played in div1 for a few season im confident NRI would hold their own in div 2

Wayne - NRFC RTM wrote:

Thanks Kev appreciate the honest response! I know you are just giving an opinion!

Hurricanes on the field of play acheived a better record than ourselves so being a well run club does more harm than good! & What about the teams from the Prem in the last 2 seasons that have gone down to 1 team & then took up the reserves team place in division 2? Doesn't this contradicte the rulebook somewhat?

Anyway rant over I would like to add this is my own personnel feeling and not an official line from the club.

to clarify this up, basically as most will know wigston 1st team players decided not to play any more so the reserves played in the prem just to fulfil fixtures and a few players drafted in to help the reserves. this year we are disbanding the reserves and officially become wigston united but the players are still the reserves of last year, Division 2 is right for the team I feel, though looking at the teams in the division it will be a very hard division still.

dan_mitchell_WRFC wrote:

Perhaps the gulf in class between division 2 and 4 is a lot higher than that between divisions 4 and 6. The stokes cup examples this, NRI ran away with division 4 in the end yet could well have lost to MDH Knights who were only just runners up in division 5. I think you have to look at each case individually rather than saying, divisional champions must go up two divisions.

North Kilworth were absolutely brilliant and far too good for division 6 and rightly went up 2 divisions.

Saff Lounge can probably feel hard done by in division 3 next season, but you still fancy them to hold their own and compete.

NRI may have won division 4 and perhaps would be happy to be in division 2, but can you really see them winning against the likes of Trinderbox and Webby's? They will be more able to compete in division 3.

Hoskins situation speaks for itself, they did brilliantly last year and were rewarded with a reserve team and a double promotion. You have to fancy them to do well considering how well they did in the cup this year.Then you only get single division promotions from division 2. Because the gulf in class is so much bigger in the top divisions than it is at the bottom.
If you look back at the Billy Walton as an example how many lower league sides beat teams of much higher divisions? A hell of a lot in the first 2 or 3 rounds.

I think the leagues done a great job and We are looking forward to the new season if it be in Division 6 or 7.

lol u silly billy hoskins wasnt rewarded with anything we wanted a reserves i think a double promation is by winning something the league cant spell our name proberly (fc hUskins)!!!

You missed out on the title by one point and had a staggering goal difference of 85!! perhaps the best in the entire league, showing you to be far too good for division 3. I think you will do well in division 1, so what if you don't win the title.

fc hoskins wrote:

they only teams hoskins spanked was bottom half but anyway ive just have ring around make sure they players i want will sign if so might challenge the league the team we have now hasnt a chance to win div 1 if we cant win div3 and cant beat sunb or throops .

FC Hoskins 4 v 2 Sparta Moshdock
Paul Ross Lewis Cully
Matt Crawford Josh Richards
Ryan Bassett
Ben Wickens

Mind you, this is a 'Provisional Constitution of Divisions' so things might change...

fc hoskins wrote:

you destroyed the league m8 12 pionts margain our point margain to foxes wer 7points and we jumped 2 they jumped 1 but they beat us 6-3

yeah but we didn't destroy the teams, in fact sparta and Magna came out better against us, so we didn't necessarily have the best team, but most consistent. We Will play in any division, i deliberately said nothing in the league meeting about division 2 and 3. Whatever Will be Will be, its Sunday bleeding football! Don't forget Beaumont sparta Magna and niffy all took points off us. Anyway put us wherever, our lads aren't bothered, plus i have a player lined up who is top drawer but won't sign for us in division 3- so its win win for us!

Pot hunting in div 3 lalalalalal we love to pot hunt"!!

Widds wrote:

fc hoskins wrote:

you destroyed the league m8 12 pionts margain our point margain to foxes wer 7points and we jumped 2 they jumped 1 but they beat us 6-3

yeah but we didn't destroy the teams, in fact sparta and Magna came out better against us, so we didn't necessarily have the best team, but most consistent. We Will play in any division, i deliberately said nothing in the league meeting about division 2 and 3. Whatever Will be Will be, its Sunday bleeding football! Don't forget Beaumont sparta Magna and niffy all took points off us. Anyway put us wherever, our lads aren't bothered, plus i have a player lined up who is top drawer but won't sign for us in division 3- so its win win for us!

Get yourself moved up then then...

you cant ask to go in a certain league, Reem Team Fc asked to start in div 2 becuase of the players they've got but got put in a lower league!

Quite happy to go up a division, but that's not up to me. The league committee decided on it, and i stayed out of the decision, and i Will continue to stay out of it, that way i can chuckle about people saying i am trying to use committee position to influence, so there there.

Just one more thing, last year when we joined i set a thread up on here asking what division our team should be in. We had asked for 5 because that's what better informed people had told me we were at that level. The league put us in division 4. We just carried on, no moaning, and we won it. Play the hand you are dealt. No secrets about us, everyone knows our results and players

Fair point, but you can't think it's totally fair - which is why you're keeping quiet and don't want to push the idea? Being club secretary has a lot of influence.

To be honest, I think I'd keep schtum if I had the chance to pot hunt another easy season...

fact is nri wont have an easy season in division 3 whistle blower, plenty of good teams in division 3

Not really to sure why people are worrying to much about NRI, yeah they were good in Division 4, but to put them into Division 2 would have been a massive mistake!

Gutho,Trinderbox and Leics Foxes all a better team, I think NRI in division 3 is a great decision, and think they will do well, and are a good bet for top 4, but my pick is for Epworth Forest, couple of old Kingsway/Kauto Star boys as well as Reem team.

Bakers Arms also good decision to be placed in Division 3, as there record as LM was of lower table than upper table.

The league have massive decisions to make, especially with Reserves etc, they must be two divs difference.

I personally am looking forward to watching a few games this season, with no longer being involved in Sundays.

all this about who goes where etc etc its funny reading material.
we dont want the prem now cus we cant beat advance or scrappy
just kidding (not about the cant beat scrappy or advance bit tho thats unfortunately the truth) but we are certainly going to enjoy TRYING to knock the bird off its nest.

No mention of who moves in the opposite direction in order to give a team what they want

Happy with the look of Div 2, should be a very competative division with no real obvious standout team (just the way it should be IMO). Can't comment too much on all other divisions.

My take on some of the more heated preceeding discussion (some of which may be on other threads):-

Hoskins and Star & Garter - I fully expected these both to be double promoted. neither should have been in division 3 and thn Star went and strengthened further during the season. Hoskins belief that because they didn't win the league they shouldn't double jump is laughable as they simply got "out pot-hunted" (you can all use that term).

NRI - I think Div 3 is probably about right but am sure they would hold their own in Div 2. I have always maintained that there is little difference in mid-table Div 2 down to top half of Div 4. Still some good teams in Div 3 with Sporting Wigston and I've heard Reem Team are very strong. I don't think it is the norm to double jump league unless there are extenuating(sp) circumstances and I just don't see that these apply to NRI plus who do you replace in Div 2 at their expense??

Wigston United - We all know what happened last year wit the 1st team folding. Somehow, and credit to all those involved, the fixtures for both Wigston sides were completed as the Div 2 reserve side stepped up to the prem while some of the less skilled/fit lads were joined by new recruits fulfilled the reserves fixtures in div 2. Both sides struggled but lpayed on regardless. They are now one team of Div 2 standard and to put them in div 1 would effectively have been a promotion from this time last year. The lads that stuck around should not be punished and therefore I think the comittee have made a very sensible decision in that respect.

St Pats - Must admit I didn't expect to see them in Div 2 again. However, looked at in more detail it does make sense. Last season they weren't as bad as their results suggested and once they got their new gaffer ni along with some fresh faces they became much more competative, I would be very surprised (assuming they keep those lads) to see them down the bottom again this year. Also, with 4 teams already promoted from Div 3 you'd be looking at Sporting Wigston coming up but they finished a long way adrift from the top 4 so are they ready?? I suppose this one comes back to NRI but for me there wouldn't be much between St Pats and NRI so why not keep St Pats in Div 2, recognising that they had problems and have now (hopefully) turned a corner, while at the same time allowing NRI to grow as a club and move up through the leagues.

Wow first post for a looooong time, feels good.

xx

P.S. FAO attendees of the AGM. Who was the guy sat towards the back in grey hoodie who wouldn't shut up all night, seemingly offering every team present a pasting should they dare to play his team?

Stroller wrote:

P.S. FAO attendees of the AGM. Who was the guy sat towards the back in grey hoodie who wouldn't shut up all night, seemingly offering every team present a pasting should they dare to play his team?

I asked this too but the personl I asked couldn't be certain. I was told that it may have been Saff Lounge but then I thought I heard him cheer when Hoskins Reserves were announced.

May be wrong.

Whoever he was he did my head in

Anyone else shed any light?

Assistant Secretary wrote:

No mention of who moves in the opposite direction in order to give a team what they want

Exactly Dennis!!

You will never win, and you won't ever get it right

Stroller wrote:

Happy with the look of Div 2, should be a very competative division with no real obvious standout team (just the way it should be IMO). Can't comment too much on all other divisions.

My take on some of the more heated preceeding discussion (some of which may be on other threads):-

Hoskins and Star & Garter - I fully expected these both to be double promoted. neither should have been in division 3 and thn Star went and strengthened further during the season. Hoskins belief that because they didn't win the league they shouldn't double jump is laughable as they simply got "out pot-hunted" (you can all use that term).

NRI - I think Div 3 is probably about right but am sure they would hold their own in Div 2. I have always maintained that there is little difference in mid-table Div 2 down to top half of Div 4. Still some good teams in Div 3 with Sporting Wigston and I've heard Reem Team are very strong. I don't think it is the norm to double jump league unless there are extenuating(sp) circumstances and I just don't see that these apply to NRI plus who do you replace in Div 2 at their expense??

Wigston United - We all know what happened last year wit the 1st team folding. Somehow, and credit to all those involved, the fixtures for both Wigston sides were completed as the Div 2 reserve side stepped up to the prem while some of the less skilled/fit lads were joined by new recruits fulfilled the reserves fixtures in div 2. Both sides struggled but lpayed on regardless. They are now one team of Div 2 standard and to put them in div 1 would effectively have been a promotion from this time last year. The lads that stuck around should not be punished and therefore I think the comittee have made a very sensible decision in that respect.

St Pats - Must admit I didn't expect to see them in Div 2 again. However, looked at in more detail it does make sense. Last season they weren't as bad as their results suggested and once they got their new gaffer ni along with some fresh faces they became much more competative, I would be very surprised (assuming they keep those lads) to see them down the bottom again this year. Also, with 4 teams already promoted from Div 3 you'd be looking at Sporting Wigston coming up but they finished a long way adrift from the top 4 so are they ready?? I suppose this one comes back to NRI but for me there wouldn't be much between St Pats and NRI so why not keep St Pats in Div 2, recognising that they had problems and have now (hopefully) turned a corner, while at the same time allowing NRI to grow as a club and move up through the leagues.

Wow first pot for a looooong time, feels good.

xx

P.S. FAO attendees of the AGM. Who was the guy sat towards the back in grey hoodie who wouldn't shut up all night, seemingly offering every team present a pasting should they dare to play his team?

pmsl....... either coleman from hoskins or dave from bullshead defo 1 of the 2 embarrassing to say the least like ive already said ill leave the kids at home next time
ps none out the 2 are that brilliant anyway both just decent.

Sparta3 wrote:

Stroller wrote:

P.S. FAO attendees of the AGM. Who was the guy sat towards the back in grey hoodie who wouldn't shut up all night, seemingly offering every team present a pasting should they dare to play his team?

I asked this too but the personl I asked couldn't be certain. I was told that it may have been Saff Lounge but then I thought I heard him cheer when Hoskins Reserves were announced.

May be wrong.

nope right

Stroller wrote:

Whoever he was he did my head in

Anyone else shed any light?

did mine in aswell and i had to get a lift back with them

lol was like gobs towards the back... was happy with the match ball for team of the month

Whistle Blower wrote:

Fair point, but you can't think it's totally fair - which is why you're keeping quiet and don't want to push the idea? Being club secretary has a lot of influence.

To be honest, I think I'd keep schtum if I had the chance to pot hunt another easy season...

I have seen one game from division 3 this year, Hoskins against S&G, and both of those teams would beat us, but i am aware that they are exceptional div 3 teams, so you can probably discount that as a way of judging the standard of div 3.

With regards asking to get pushed up, we have lost to div 3 times twice in the cup this year, including the bottom team who beat us, so if i ask for us to go up to div 2 and we get mullered every week the lads would rightly be pissed off with me. I dont have the knowledge of div 3 and div 2 team abilities to say which one i think we should be in, so i will leave it to those who have been around the Alliance longer than my one season...

why is everyone moaning i thought we played sunday football for a laugh and to play as high as you could get. when we started we was put in div 1 because we had some quality players play in some friendlies for us who said they would join but went elsewere no moaning from us at all just got on with it and at times in div 1 struggled to scrape 11 and had a great enjoyable season was 12 points of top at one point finished 3 points behind top in the end. as our manager said I'M HAPPY WITH COMPETING IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT WINNING GO AND ENJOY YOURSELVES aint that what sundays are about?

to be honest its not that i dont wanna go up 2 division cus i know we can be good enough its fact that hoskins plans are to stick around and move up the divisions not jump striaght into fire we wanna build a squad then in 2 3 or 4years time the squad we bulid will be good enough to concker the prem!
its hard starting high and new players take time to gel, but 1 it is.